Toradora! – 02:Meow?
Shana’s clone o.0?
I’m getting mixed responses from lots of people with obviously very conflicting opinions about the anime so far.Especially the handling of episode 2.It is claimed that the light novel was “better” in that it included more material particularly those which build on Taiga and Ryuji’s relationship or friendship at this point.I would assume that this is the “romance” aspect in this romance comedy.Yea,plenty of comedy but not enough romance?
For me I do appreciate the aesthetics of romantic relationship between characters, however lets not forget that this is potentially a 13 episode series thus not alot can be done in that time frame.We can’t be idling in the first volume of the novel for the first 5 episodes now can we?Do we just prioritize satisfying the minority of fans who actually read the light novel?In a fan’s point of view,we’ll say “YEAH”.But from a business point of view particularly with the world’s pathetic situation as of now,its suicide.Let it be known that a substantial amount of anime fans are not the patient type.Thus to cater to the needs of the whole,some compromise is needed.In that sense it would seem fair even to me.
“The generic pie in the face with a twist”
Besides…google said there was 8 volumes so far so there’s plenty of room for a season 2.Ahem…now lets backtrack to the anime itself.Needless to say,if the anime was a disappointment,then the novel must be one heck of a read.Yes I did notice the rushed turn of events but the light humor partially helped to offset the potential confusion.
Now she switches to Honey & Clover’s Hagu?
Taiga now freeloads of Ryuji(particularly his food) and his mom doesn’t mind.They proceed to their evil plots to realize each others dream of getting each other’s best friend,at the expense of whom ever that may stand in the way,with Taiga at the helm.Naturally they tend to fail due to Taiga’s apparent klutzy nature.Ryuji though, always stands by Taiga,since “he can’t abandon her” for some reason.I can’t either frankly.Just looking at her would compel any cold hearted bastard to help her out,much less some guy like Ryuji.I was told that the lamp pole attacking incident was an important turning point in the novel.Needless to say,it did seem out of place and needed alot of imagination as to the symbolism behind the act as well as the apparent absence of most of Ryuji’s inner thoughts.A scenario we always see with Honey and Clover,where these monologues play a vital role in developing each individual character.While I did enjoy H&C I was never actually convinced that it was a “huge” success.Hey,ask enough people and you learn that its hardly popular with the guys while the girls were too obsessed with CLAMP pretty boys or any other bishounen,such as those in the form of “Shugo Chara” <—-I enjoyed Pokemon better than that.
In the end Taiga gathers the courage to confess to Kitamura,but I doubt he actually got the message.Before that,Taiga had to clear up the misunderstandings due to her being closer to Ryuji these past few days.THe lamp pole incident handed an ultimatum to Ryuji,that they’ll only be friends after she confesses.Ryuji,insists to stay by Taiga’s side like a “dragon” and Taiga vows to try harder next time.
So my thoughts about this anime from the impressions I made last time were largely accurate.However,I’m basically against anymore of this breakneck plot progression speed.If its only to speed up the intro then I guess thats OK?
Opps I almost forgot to say a word of praise about the wacky OP.Techno loli? =3
I like the OP and this show. Not much more to say really. I like the pace and the comedy :D!
You also can look at the manga for the shorter version of the scene… but yeah, without the inner dialogue, or his thoughts on HER, it was missing something. Her talking about how nobody understood her, and how she hated people who couldn’t really see her, filled in part of it… but without him reflecting on it and how she kept struggling despite everything (which is why he decided to show her she wasn’t alone by joining in on the general yelling-at-the-lamppost bit), it lost something in the translation, ditto when they cut out the ‘takes Taiga to the infirmary’ part, which was one of the things that led up to the ‘maybe they’re a couple’ thoughts.
One thing to note as well is that Taiga’s tsundereness cost her Kitamura, since the latter confessed to her last year… only to be shot down right away in proper Palmtop Tiger fashion. Whoopsie. It’s also a pity that they didn’t hint at the damage by having him hear noises from the classroom of bashing and breaking, especially since he was relatively closeby when she was scaring everyone else into submission.
One more thing that got screwed up was the confession – she told Kitamura how she felt, THEN said she didn’t hate Ryuuji… and here he says ‘you like Takasu-kun, right?’ and then she goes into a tsundere-like denial/affirmation.
That and the extra violence.
Well I haven’t read the manga, but it even then I can feel the anime racing through the plot. I’d actually prefer it if they slowed down, they can spend the first five episodes on vol 1 for all I care – noone said they had to fit everything into one season. The important thing is that fans enjoy the show, right?
Anyways, I felt some of the scenes didn’t have as much of an effect as it should since the buildup was quite fast. Just last episode, Taiga and Ryuji meet. This episode? A roller coaster. It was still good, but I felt it could of been handled better.
And I didn’t really like the OP, but the ED, again, was fun to watch.
No, it’s fine. Though, it does seem like they are clear-cutting the story so as to not have a second season. There is less “romance” to it, but even in the novel it’s mostly inner thoughts, which can be expresses visually.
Good fun, we don’t need it to become true tears, ^^
@mellow_bunny
Mm thats a mellow reponse.
@Haesslich
Kitamura is just a dense block of stupidity.A girl confesses and he gives a most ambiguous answer.He might as well be camp.
@Cokematic
“The important thing is that fans enjoy the show, right?”
Its actually suppose to be:
“The important thing is that we sell lots of DVDs to the fans”-Production Studio
@RyanA
Yea,the constant transition between tears and laughter is gonna be painful otherwise.
Makoto: The whole point of the scene was that he was dense, but that he also told her that this reminded her of last year but with funny faces since she’d turned him down. Instead, it’s sounding like she confessed to HIM last year instead of her blowing him off… and only this year she gets funny around Takasu-kun.
I haven’t read the novel, just the first dozen or so chapters of the manga, but I do agree that they’re missing out on a lot with the pace they’ve set. The cookies, the pole, and the confession all really needed a bit more to convey to the audience what was going on. I can see, maybe, cutting down on those scenes but they cut out a lot of the dialogue that set up Taiga and Ryuji’s relationship. I especially missed the mini-monologue about Ryuji that occurred as part of the confession scene. The way they did it in the anime Kitamura’s response made no sense at all. Conversely in the manga, it came off as Kitamura having figured out something that Taiga, herself, had yet to understand.
@Haesslich
Yea…it can be inferred that way.But it only reinforces the fact that Kitamura is an asshole.He probably never gave her a concrete answer back then(a year ago) and left her in limbo for another year.I don’t see what you’re trying to get at here.Its just giving more reason for me to think that Kitamura is gay unless that’s what you wanted me to see all along.
@khronus
Yup,the impression he gave me after the confession scene wasn’t a good one to say the least.Too much open-ended interpretation on those scenes.
Um… you misread my post. Here’s how it happened in the novels and the manga:
*****POTENTIAL SPOILER*****
Last Year: Kitamura, smitten with the Palmtop Tiger (as many boys were), confesses to her. She, in a fit of tsundereness, shoots him down with an unequivocal answer. Many boys confess to her that year, and all get the same angry refusal.
This Year: Taiga’s had a year to reflect, and to grow to like Kitamura. She finally confesses to him… and he completely misunderstands her confession as one to Ryuuji, based on how she gets all funny about the latter. Basically, she says ‘I love you’ first and doesn’t get confronted about Ryuuji until after she says the important part, and that’s when she goes “I don’t hate him. He cooks for me, and he understands me, and…”
In the anime, the taking out of the revelation that Kitamura was the one confessing last year (and more importantly, got refused) takes the punch out of this scene and makes Kitamura an asshole whereas he’s merely completely dense about her feelings towards him after having a year to cope with his own wounds and for him to get over her.
Okay now that makes sense, but I sense that it is potentially a spoiler(hence I edited the post abit), since they might double back soon enough as it does seem like a pretty important piece of the story.btw you should have clarified whether you were referring to the anime or novel.I think I did mention that I have yet to read the novel previously,due to my apathy up to the point it had an anime in the works.
As I said, J.C. Staff screwed up the confession – they changed around the order of the confession (”I love you” and then “I don’t hate Ryuuji”), as well as cutting off Kitamura’s statement… and adding the ‘do you like Takasu-kun’ question from him. It completely changes the context of the scene as a result, which combined with other changes (the aftermath at Johnny’s, and then after the failed confession Ryuuji caught up with her on the way home and told her she’d confessed outside the boy’s washroom and that the way she said it sounded like she wasn’t confessing to Kitamura after all) along with the missing chide about her being clumsy made it look much, much different than it was in the source.
The novel and the manga do it both the same way – the anime didn’t, and by taking out the extra details (which are themselves quite important), give the scene in the show a completely different meaning.
yeah, I guess Haesslich has a point. I was also confused and got a hard time understanding the context because of the order.
I was like- huh? Why Ryuuji all of a sudden when Taiga obviously wants to confess — This cause Taiga to lose her focus and maybe made Kitamura think that whom she likes is not him but “still” Ryuuji considering there was rampant rumor just before the confession happened.
Okay okay so thy did a sucky job at reproducing the material but JCstudios has a history of that.I got the same crap with shana I suppose.
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