Comments on: Toradora! – 02:Meow?

By: Makoto

Makoto — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:47:02 +0000

Okay okay so thy did a sucky job at reproducing the material but JCstudios has a history of that.I got the same crap with shana I suppose.

By: jitensha

jitensha — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:40:45 +0000

yeah, I guess Haesslich has a point. I was also confused and got a hard time understanding the context because of the order.

I was like- huh? Why Ryuuji all of a sudden when Taiga obviously wants to confess — This cause Taiga to lose her focus and maybe made Kitamura think that whom she likes is not him but “still” Ryuuji considering there was rampant rumor just before the confession happened.

By: Haesslich

Haesslich — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:24:24 +0000

As I said, J.C. Staff screwed up the confession – they changed around the order of the confession (“I love you” and then “I don’t hate Ryuuji”), as well as cutting off Kitamura’s statement… and adding the ‘do you like Takasu-kun’ question from him. It completely changes the context of the scene as a result, which combined with other changes (the aftermath at Johnny’s, and then after the failed confession Ryuuji caught up with her on the way home and told her she’d confessed outside the boy’s washroom and that the way she said it sounded like she wasn’t confessing to Kitamura after all) along with the missing chide about her being clumsy made it look much, much different than it was in the source.

The novel and the manga do it both the same way – the anime didn’t, and by taking out the extra details (which are themselves quite important), give the scene in the show a completely different meaning.

By: Makoto

Makoto — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:19:53 +0000

Okay now that makes sense, but I sense that it is potentially a spoiler(hence I edited the post abit), since they might double back soon enough as it does seem like a pretty important piece of the story.btw you should have clarified whether you were referring to the anime or novel.I think I did mention that I have yet to read the novel previously,due to my apathy up to the point it had an anime in the works.

By: Haesslich

Haesslich — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:51:10 +0000

Um… you misread my post. Here’s how it happened in the novels and the manga:

*****POTENTIAL SPOILER*****
Last Year: Kitamura, smitten with the Palmtop Tiger (as many boys were), confesses to her. She, in a fit of tsundereness, shoots him down with an unequivocal answer. Many boys confess to her that year, and all get the same angry refusal.

This Year: Taiga’s had a year to reflect, and to grow to like Kitamura. She finally confesses to him… and he completely misunderstands her confession as one to Ryuuji, based on how she gets all funny about the latter. Basically, she says ‘I love you’ first and doesn’t get confronted about Ryuuji until after she says the important part, and that’s when she goes “I don’t hate him. He cooks for me, and he understands me, and…”

In the anime, the taking out of the revelation that Kitamura was the one confessing last year (and more importantly, got refused) takes the punch out of this scene and makes Kitamura an asshole whereas he’s merely completely dense about her feelings towards him after having a year to cope with his own wounds and for him to get over her.

By: Makoto

Makoto — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:45:38 +0000

@Haesslich
Yea…it can be inferred that way.But it only reinforces the fact that Kitamura is an asshole.He probably never gave her a concrete answer back then(a year ago) and left her in limbo for another year.I don’t see what you’re trying to get at here.Its just giving more reason for me to think that Kitamura is gay unless that’s what you wanted me to see all along.

@khronus
Yup,the impression he gave me after the confession scene wasn’t a good one to say the least.Too much open-ended interpretation on those scenes.

By: khronus

khronus — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:33:36 +0000

I haven’t read the novel, just the first dozen or so chapters of the manga, but I do agree that they’re missing out on a lot with the pace they’ve set. The cookies, the pole, and the confession all really needed a bit more to convey to the audience what was going on. I can see, maybe, cutting down on those scenes but they cut out a lot of the dialogue that set up Taiga and Ryuji’s relationship. I especially missed the mini-monologue about Ryuji that occurred as part of the confession scene. The way they did it in the anime Kitamura’s response made no sense at all. Conversely in the manga, it came off as Kitamura having figured out something that Taiga, herself, had yet to understand.

By: Haesslich

Haesslich — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:54:03 +0000

Makoto: The whole point of the scene was that he was dense, but that he also told her that this reminded her of last year but with funny faces since she’d turned him down. Instead, it’s sounding like she confessed to HIM last year instead of her blowing him off… and only this year she gets funny around Takasu-kun.

By: Makoto

Makoto — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:40:51 +0000

@mellow_bunny
Mm thats a mellow reponse.

@Haesslich
Kitamura is just a dense block of stupidity.A girl confesses and he gives a most ambiguous answer.He might as well be camp.

@Cokematic
“The important thing is that fans enjoy the show, right?”
Its actually suppose to be:
“The important thing is that we sell lots of DVDs to the fans”-Production Studio

@RyanA
Yea,the constant transition between tears and laughter is gonna be painful otherwise.

By: Ryan A

Ryan A — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:39:25 +0000

No, it’s fine. Though, it does seem like they are clear-cutting the story so as to not have a second season. There is less “romance” to it, but even in the novel it’s mostly inner thoughts, which can be expresses visually.

Good fun, we don’t need it to become true tears, ^^